CCS: Minutes (Debates)
11/10/10 – Mobile, Web & Game Debate
Topic – PS3 vs. Xbox 360
Proposition is that the PS3 is better than the 360
1st proposition – DP
1st opposition – MB
2nd proposition – CJ
2nd opposition – TJ
DP Opens the floor, states that the ps3 is alot better, facts of the ps3, august 17 2009, Jim Riley, 9000 readers, console figure failure rate XBOX360 54.2% PS3 10.6%,
MB states that “red ring” issue abolished
DP claims on personal experience that hardware failure, within 1month – slim version, console contents melted.
DP states that % of users having 2nd hardware fail 360 41.2% PS314.7%
DP 3.8% commended they would not purchase a 360 again, nothing stated about the PS3
TJ interjects – does that mean 96.2% would buy it?
DP responds – they didn’t reply
DP notes, game format print edition
DP addresses games
Each console has different versions of games; little big planet won 95 awards, future, platinum, excellence etc.
Even though halo has awards, the newest release doesn’t have any.
TJ interjects with where the information was gained
DP responds with www.littlebigplanet.com , all information supplied there along with their sources.
IGN, 1up, game trailers etc.
DP states that mirrors edge and uncharted have also won numerous awards.
DP thanks everyone for listening.
MB opens for the 1st opposition
MB brings up the failure rate of 360
MB brings forward new safety features of the newest 360 models
MB proposes sales of the 360 vs. ps3, the 360 has a higher amount of sales, 39mil vs. 33mil
MB comments on little big planet, why was it chosen
DP responds because it’s a ps3 exclusive game.
MB responds with Mass Effect for the 360
MB uses figures; mass effect has 1% higher rating.
MB uses Gamespot library.
Gamespot, game quality spreadsheet, assessed by game reviewers, 20% better quality for the 360
MB the PS3 doesn’t have backwards compatibility fully, where the 360 does
MB xbox live has a better developers functionality
MB xbox life has better trophy support
MB Japan has less interest in online play, affecting the ps3
MB xbox360, has better support for functionality for things such as sky, 1080p direct streaming.
MB game sales on the 360 are higher, 360 8.9% vs. PS3 6.1%
MB multi plats are better on 360, due to windows live cross compatibility.
CJ comparison of the newest versions of the consoles
CJ compares the specs of the consoles
CJ proposes that the core of the ps3 has better quality
CJ states that the ps3 has a better clock speed, even though its equal spec core.
CJ 7 single cores vs. 3 dual cores
CJ hardware introduced into the 360 to downgrade it with increased latency, so it runs equal to older models
CJ xbox total ram misleading, ps3 has higher quality ram.
CJ ps3 has a blu-ray player
CJ xbox360 has 1080p but only requires 720p
CJ ps3 has an advantage with blu-ray for gaming and movies
CJ ps3 is more expensive, but has better features.
CJ ps3 has the ps3move, compared to 360 kinnect.
CJ claims ps3move has better sales, taken from ign.com
CJ 360 controller is clunky, heavy battery, compared to ps3.
CJ points out the advantages of the ps3 controller, wireless, Bluetooth, slimmer battery.
TJ thanks the opposition
TJ CPU and gpu, argument proposed to be invalid, according to web sources. Gamespot etc.
TJ 360 gpu design is more flexible, better performance compared to ps3
TJ memory system bandwidth on the ps3 is 3x higher on the ps3
TJ ps3 CPU cell processor is harder to program for
TJ 360 uses direct x, whereas ps3 doesn’t
TJ 360 uses windows media center, so you can sync content with your home system, movies/pictures/etc.
TJ ps3 used Linux to develop, but its now been removed.
TJ ps3 uses 1080p, but 1080i is what the games use, 1080i is up scaled from 720p
TJ ps3move, kinnect has already doubled the sales. Hcv.com provides the stats
TJ Bluetooth worst quality due to latency/transfer speed compared to a wired connection
TJ voice party chat on 360, where the Bluetooth headsets on ps3 are distorted and unable to support group chat
TJ battery packs, using an example of battery charging on the ps3 is difficult if you want to play the console as the cable is short, where the 360 has a lengthy cable so you can charge and play
“Rocky soundtrack intro”
SO makes summary for the proposition.
Thanks the opposition.
Just to summarise what DP & CJ said, the ps3 is better than the 360, due to the higher rate of hardware failure.
The ps3 offers free online, gaming etc.
360 costs £40 a year to use online.
360 has had numerous issues with disc scratching.
Ps3 has no renound issues with disc scratching
Ps3 has Bluetooth, blu-ray and updatable hardware
JE makes the summary for the opposition
JE thanks the proposition
Sales crituqe are in the favour of the 360
Higher sales for the 360 & higher games attachment rate
Kinnect has a higher preorder rate than the ps3move’s current sale rate.
Game sales and critics
Quality and quantity of sales higher on the 360, source Gamespot
Mass Effect > Little Big Planet
Little Big Planet not exclusive on the PS3, Available on the Play station portable
Vgchart.com shows that halo sales are 8.9mil
MW2 higher sales x2 on the 360 compared to the ps3
360 less hardware yet better to develop on.
HD streaming on the 360.
Both consoles run on 720p, even though ps3 claims to use 1080p
360 loads faster compared to ps3
Battery on a 360 easy to replace once its dead, ps3 you need to replace the entire controller
Modifying the internal of a PS3 voids warranty, where the 360 is easily accessible for customization.
PS3 Voice flawed, interference, etc.
360 has less online restrictions, due to the ps3 having limitations from Japan
360 offer more diversity for the general public, through indie gaming, sky functionality etc.
In summary, the 360, even though it has flaws, still leads the market in sales and is the overall gamers choice.
SN addresses the Proposition and Opposition
Points to cover:
Quality of arguments
– Which console SN will purchase
– Who’s the winner of the argument
More heckling, support team more, more involvement compared to last week
Team A (360) has higher knowledge base compared to Team B (PS3), due to a high investment into the topic.
SN will be purchase…………….. PS3
360 team lead a good argument for a console that has noticeable flaws
Today’s winner was the 360 Team.
Managed to sell an inferior product, made it sound like it was an equal.
Both teams gave balanced views
Debate – Does extra terrestrial life exist?
Mr Speaker – Stuart Neil
TEAM ET – Proposition
TEAM HOAX – Opposition
1st Speaker – Chris Coughlin
2nd Speaker – Adam Jones
1st Speaker – Simon Osborne
2nd Speaker- Tom Jenkins
For argument – CC
Extra terrestrial life that does not come from planet earth
Bacteria organisms that are not like humans
Point of order – MB Proof
10% of the stars have undiscovered planets in the solar system
‘’Theoretical Physics’’ website mentioned to show the statistics where evidence has been claimed.
Diagram 1 – The scientifically chart, habitable life on Mars when the sun was smaller than it is now.
Opposition try to stall proposition
Venus & Mars have water on the planets and have potential life forms. The catalyst is water so there may be life creation on the planets.
These planets are likely to have inhabitants and they will evolve.
Scientific Fact – Ozone layer disintegrating and one day the Earth will become inhabitable.
Evolution is part of the discussion
Highly respected scientists such as Stephen Hawking have researched the topic in detail.
Against argument- SO
Points out there is no evidence of there being ET life
‘’Seeing is believing’’
Stephen Hawking – The burden of truth is on the claimant. No one has proof that UFO’s do or do not exist. NASA Astronomer 2002
Without the journal, it is an unsupported claim
There are planets that may have ET life
There is no concrete evidence that there are bacteria organisms
Proposition try to throw opposition
‘’Evidence is only testimonial’’
Statics – No verifiable evidence has been recorded. Abductions have been rein acted but there is no proof
No photos or videos or evidence. AJ says there will be evidence when he speaks in the rebuttal stage
What is the difference between scientific theories – belief? Treating it like a religion?
For argument – JE
Opened argument with thanks to the opposition
Contrast to what the opposition have said
No reference to alien abductions from proposition
Look into research about the NASA journal has now been updated
Stephen Hawking 2010 – ‘’Aliens are more likely to exist but states we should not contact them.’’
Mathematically, Scientifically & Statistically plausible claims
Point of Order -Writing a book – why does that have to have a point? JE is telling a story.
Fact or Fiction? Argument heats up – no argument from MB
Reiterates that JE is telling story and not showing evidence.
MB tries to contradict and rebuttal the argument
JE Krypton is a gas, scientific evidence and asked SO to look at the periodic table.
No mention of space, opposition tried to claim but MB has no argument
Diagram 2 & 3
Yoda, Roswell showing alien evidence (Area 51)
Against argument – MB
MB thanks proposition
Talks about images shown by JE, no source of proof – where did the evidence.
NASA wanted more intersest – so picture was released.
NASA made claims bacteria organism data during at the time of 1969 on the moon landing
High publicity to try and get tax payers money to show interest in NASA
Inquiry to change of speaker not mentioned – objection by SN
Probability numbers could go either way of ET life being real or a hoax
Summary – AJ
Thanks the opposition team
The proposition have shown credible facts and sources to why ET life exists
No proof to why the proposition is wrong AJ stalls
‘’It’s like Dragons Den’’
Mind has gone blank
AJ refers to Team Hoax have their own opinions and no evidence of scientific or theoretical facts.
Opposition did try to discredit the theory of ET life
Stephen Hawking is a highly acclaimed scientist and the opposition has heckled his theories.
Crystallised water has been found on Mars
1961 first travel to the moon. Other planets could be a 100 years away from our evolution in life.
The theory of evolution – Charles Darwin
Summary – TJ
Thanks the proposition
Numbers and theory – no imperial physical evidence
Lack of evidence to show there is ET life
Picture has no source or proof
Scientist’s opinions change depending on discoveries
Stephen Hawking 2010
Based on probability, however he has expressed many non-biased points on the subject along with our original quote, in his own words, whether or not statistics are in favor of E.T life.
Evidence is shown there is now proof that they exist.
Theory & Belief TJ says the proposition ‘’You have defined no line between a theoretical idea and a belief, we are not here to debate whether religion is real or not, however probabilities.’’
Open floor discussion
SN Photo’s can be manipulated; Video evidence is still not enough proof
‘’Seeing is believing, maybe not’’
Argument Winner – TEAM HOAX
MWG Minutes from the iPad debate 04/10/10
SN introduces as the speaker (adjudicator)
SN welcomes debaters, asking that all debaters please keep to the rules and keep
a respectful understanding.
The debate will be undertaken on the Apple Ipad.
CJ opens up the 1
st Proposition.CJ address the opposition, he is representing the Ipad
App store sheer size of available apps
Ibooks competitor to the kindle
Colour interactive display
Defending the price, of the device by inputting on a device for chatting
Gaming on the IPad to show its capability compared to offer
AJ interjects with lack of Flash capabilities
CJ responds with the input of a new patch in November for the capability to use
CC opens up the 1
st OppositionCC thanks the stated case of the previous chairs
CC puts forwards concerns in size functional but not handheld size and weight 3x
the size of the IPod Touch and 6x the weight.
CC claims it’s a glorified IPod Touch
ZH puts forward the challenge of being able o do presentations and the ability to
CC retorts with the none ability to not be able to present these keynotes without
The lack of capability is not able to be ungraded easily
No colour screen is brought up about the kindle.
ZH opens the floor for the 2
nd PropositionPrice concerns are brought up
A discredit is brought up on the opposition’s side
Reasons for an Ipad
Quicker use for the Ipad to view Videos
Internet capabilities for the Ipad is brought up by AJ
Competitors are talked about as showing improvements but people are still
sticking with the capabilities of the Ipad
AJ brings up the point of slow updates with the apple Products.
Luxury item people don’t need but still want it.
CB opens the floor for the 2
nd Opposition.CB contradicts the sales figures of the Apple brand
Nothing new to do with the creations
Cheap slander in contrast to the price of the Ipad
ZH retorts with the fact that the Ipad is on at all times taking away the fact that
the Ipad needs a start up time
CB retorts with the resolutions of the display of the Ipad.
Why would you need all 3 of the Apple products if you already own all of the
products already why have a ipad if you have a Iphone you are purchasing the
SO retorts with the fact that the screen size is a much better capabilities for Films
during Journeys, Less strain on eyes.